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Test Ride Review of the Honda NC700X - By Ren Withnell
Ooooohhh....Hmmmmm....Yeah!
Oh be still my beating heart...
That was my initial reaction when a friend of mine pointed me to this new Honda. For the last millennium it seems that the whole of motorcycle development has been pushing towards performance, power, speed and racing. So when I first read the few scant snippets of information about the NC700 I could find online I got all excited. Honda appear to be making a bike that's NOT about speed and power, but about usability and ECONOMY. Yes, that's ECONOMY, in capitol letters.
If you've not read other parts of this website and you don't know me, I'll explain. I ride for transport, I'm tighter than cramp and I've come to terms and accepted I'm never going to be a fast rider. I'm not interested in doing 160mph down the M6 or around Donnington. I'm interested in bikes that can run and run and run for ever with minimal maintenance, that sip fuel to save my pennies and are so comfy that I feel like I'm floating. On the odd rare occasions I'll enjoy a good thrash down a country lane and I like to carve a few bends but on the whole I actually like to see where I'm going and enjoy riding the bike, not fighting against it. Honda appeared to be thinking the same. Honda seem to have designed a bike that should be comfy with it's Big Trailie dimensions and seating position. An engine that can cruise at motorway speeds all day long but not drinking costly petrol at an alarming rate and a low revving motor that should last a very long time.
The main thing about the NC700 is the engine. Rather than going to the motorcycle engine designers who are probably working on the next Fireblade and CBR motors and who's entire development process is about power power POWER, someone went to the car people. The car people like a bit of performance but are focused on economy and reliability. Especially those engine people working on the Jazz engine. The Honda Jazz is the darling of the retired couple who use the car for shopping and driving to the park. Most Jazz's will come complete with a tartan blanket and a flask of strong hot tea. These people are not interested in performance, they are interested in economy and reliability.
Half a Jazz, half a Jazz onwards...
With a Jazz engine in hand the NC700 team took out a hacksaw and lopped off two cylinders, glued on a gearbox and bent a few steel tubes to make a frame. I'm sure the development process was far more complex but that is the idea. With 2 pistons and a displacement of 700cc's the motor could have been much more powerful and sprightly than half a Jazz, but in keeping the original dimensions of bore and stroke the motor remained economical and torquey.
They did however choose to have a 270 degree crank. This means the motor runs in an uneven fashion similar to a V twin giving the motor a little character. They also chose not to have a motorcycle style array of injectors, one for each piston, but one injector feeding the 2 pistons. With the uneven piston firing it's possible that the first piston to fire in the sequence takes the fuel charge leaving the second piston starved. This has been overcome by altering the camshaft timings on the second piston...I don't know how exactly but I'm sure some boffin worked it out. Having one injector means less to go wrong and better economy. It reminds me of the single carburetor on the CD 200 Benly, and that was a frugal little machine too.
The bike I rode has a traditional gearbox and clutch. There is, or will be, a DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission) version. I THINK this will be automatic with the option to either be fully automatic and let the computer choose which gear you need, or with the press of a button somewhere you'll be able to select gears yourself, like a modern flappy paddle car. Being a bit traditional I would prefer a manual box, I like to ride the bike, but I would be delighted to try the DCT version just to see what it's like and how well it works. Like it or not, I think these type of gearboxes will be the future. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the computer decides you need third when you asked for forth...
The rest of the NC700X model is pretty standard apart from the fuel tank being under the seat, and what looks like the fuel tank is a storage compartment and somewhere to hide all the gubbins that makes motorcycles work. The X model I rode has a small bikini fairing, a tiny screen and a big trailie seating position. The S version will be more street bike with no fairing and a lower seat height. Then there's the Integra. The "NC" in NC700X stands for "New Concept". Cheesy. The idea is that the chassis, motor, suspension and wheels remain the same but the clothing changes. The Integra is a feet forward scooter that underneath is exactly the same as the NC700S and NC700X. Honda think they're really clever doing this. Triumph tried it years ago...
So it is I find myself outside what is now a rare thing, a Honda dealer. With licence in hand I walk inside to what is actually quite a busy shop with 3 salesmen all talking to and dealing with customers! Recession...what recession? After a short wait I hand my licence over and I'm introduced to the bright eyed elderly gentleman who will take me out for my test ride. Damn. I was hoping they'd throw the keys at me and say "see you later". How can I see what the bike is like when I have to follow some guy on a Pan European? I hold my complaints and decide at least I won't get lost, but getting lost is the best part.
The guide guy and I take a moment to look at the bike. The first thing he shows me is the storage space within what is normally the petrol tank. Honda claims it's big enough to hold a full face helmet. Hmmmm, possibly, if you wear a small size lid. My medium did not want to go in completely such as the lid could be shut. We did not spend time playing helmet tetris to see if it would fit, but if this were to be a main reason for buying the bike then take the time to see if yours fits. There is enough space for waterproofs and a handful of shopping, but not as much as I would have hoped. One mark against the NC700.
Everything else is as you would expect, except the fuel filler cap is beneath the rear seat. Initially it does not seem to be a problem, but then I realise that quite often I'll have my tent bungeed there, or the saddlebags. Everyday use would be fine but it would be a real bugbear having to unhook and remove all kinds of equipment to gain access to the fuel tank whilst on a camping trip. That's another mark against the NC700...
Climbing aboard the bike reveals how high the bike is. This bike, with it's low power output and modestly predictable performance, is aimed at commuters and new riders. I think a new rider who's inexperienced with a large heavy bike could be intimidated by the seat height. I'm sure a regular sized bloke like myself would soon adapt and overcome but smaller riders will struggle. I have read somewhere that the NC700S version is lower, I'd be interested to see by how much. The height is due to the trailie seating position that becomes apparent once on board. It certainly does not look like a GS1200 or a Triumph Tiger, but the immediate feel is the same.
Starting the bike I hear very little from the exhaust. It is quiet, so quiet I wonder if it's stopped from time to time as the passing cars drown out the timid beat from the motor. Only a slight vibration, again barely noticeable, tells me the motor is still thump thumping beneath me. As my guide wafts away on his Pan I almost stall as I can't hear the motor and I set off. Up there on the seat the motor is quiet and smooth with just a touch of pulsing through the bike but it is so very smooth.
Around town and at the lights the bike feels great! The tall position improves visibility and I soon adjust to stretching my leg a little further to the ground. The gearbox is excellent, almost to the point that I ponder whether this is a DCT version with the selector being on the gear lever. The clutch tells me I'm wrong but the gears work perfectly. Even the new XJ6 I tested a while back had the familiar "CLUNK" from first to second, the Honda had none of this. I don't know how they've done it, but I wish more would.
The power is less than my Fazer, actually about half the power of the Fazer. It does show, even at lower speed. It stops and starts very well and will have no trouble with keen tin box drivers, but there's that lack of raw edge, of anger, of "I'll kick you in the balls if you ask me". For a commuter and a new rider that lack of edge can be a godsend. When you're tired, on a cold wet road and confused by traffic lights and headlights the last thing you need is a kick in the ass because you weren't gentle with the loud handle. I just wonder if I'll miss that raw power though, as an experienced rider. An experienced rider that normally rides a 125 with a quarter the power of the NC700. Durgh...
The indicater switch is where the horn should be...the horn is where the indicators should be...I have no idea why Honda did this, perhaps it looks trendy and BMW like. It's tiny problem that I and anyone else would soon adjust to, but right now...BEEP! My guide looks in his mirrors but carries on. Everything else is fine. Single disk up front compared to the Fazer's over zealous twin disc 8 pot setup, it works just as well, the mirrors show me what's behind and the seat is fat at the back and narrower towards the front. That seat works very well, I think, this test ride will last about half an hour and not the 6 hours required to really be sure of comfort.
I try running the motor low in the revs. Just like a big single the chain slaps around below 2,000 rpm, above that it's fine. The motor is very low revving with a 6,400 rpm rev limiter. Burbling around town and down 30mph lanes the engine purrs at 3 to 4k happily, as does any bike, what's odd is that is the mid range for this motor, not the bottom end. Lots of test riders suggest the low revs will mean lots and lots of gear changes. Rubbish. The motor has tall gearing and each gear has a good range and proves very flexible. The low revs also mean the motor with it's quiet exhaust mean it never sounds like it's working hard at all. Very relaxing and lazy, chilled and cool wafting along with smooth gentle progress.
Finally we hit the motorway. After a couple of higher speed bends I realise this bike handles well. There's no alarms and no surprises, nothing to worry about, just a low centre of gravity and slow geometry that feels solid and predicatable. I then open the taps as my guide speeds away. Brrrrrrr..g.g.g.g.g.g Brrrrrrr.g.g.g.gg.g.g..gg I'm bouncing off the rev limiter! No way! I'm the motorcycle equivalent of Captain Slow, Mr mechanical sympathy and Mr Take-It-Easy yet here I am bouncing a 700cc bike off it's rev limiter. I know in time I'd adjust to the new way of riding and not the familiar method a screaming an engine to get it to speed up.
When all is said and done though, the NC cruises at motorway speeds just fine. It does definitely not have the power of the Fazer though. On the Fazer you just think of a speed up to 100mph and dial it in. The 700 will reach the 100 mark and more, but above 80 I think it would take some time. With my guide and the traffic I don't get to find out. The little screen is remarkable effective but not as good as it could be. Unlike the tiny screen on the DL 650 Vstrom though it does not cause annoying turbulence. My guide tells me later there is an option for a larger screen, I think that may be a wise choice for the motorway rider.
No matter how new and shiny a bike is...I'll always get it dirty somehow...
Back at the shop I'm sad my ride is over. There's so much more I wanted to try, to learn and to find out. Yet in my short ride I've learnt a fair bit and made a decision.
This is a very good bike. A very good bike for sensible people who are concerned with practical issues like the spiraling cost of fuel, practicality and every day use. It will not suit your leather clad mid-life-crisis rider who has got something to prove. It will suit a new rider but if that new rider has designs on becoming a Rossi/Fogarty wannabe then he or she will soon become frustrated. My worry is that most of the riders I see are of the bigger faster quicker mentality. Those that are not are either into cruisers, tourers or muscle bikes. The NC700X is none of these, it's almost in a new class. I wonder if there is a market for this new class. I hope so, I really hope so. I'd love to see more new bikes that are both fun and sensible at the same time.
Will I buy one? No, not yet. First off...the fuel savings. If, and only if, the NC range can produce the claimed 78 mpg then lets do some maths
Taking that I cover 8,000 miles per annum on the Fazer...and the fazer returns 56 mpg
8,000 miles/ 56 mpg = 143 gallons per year
Petrol at the time of writing (5/3/2012) costs £1.34 per litre. Lets, for arguments sake, say petrol will rise to £1.50 per litre.
1.50 * 4.54 = £6.81 per gallon (yikes!)
143 * 6.81 = £973.83 per year on fuel on the Fazer
Given that AT BEST the NC700x could return 80mpg then...
8,000 miles /80mpg = 100 gallons per year
100 * 6.81 = £681.00 per year on the NC700x
That's a saving of 292.83 each year, giving the NC the benefit of the doubt and making the Fazer to be bad. So...to pay for itself in fuel the NC 700 would take almost 20 years. £300 quid a years ain't a bad saving, but compared to the £5850 price tag there's no contest. Next, I want to see how well it sells. I've owned grey imports and other surreal machines and always struggled to get aftermarket spares and accessories. Owning the Fazer has been a revelation! The Fazer's as common as muck which means there is a whole plethora of spares, parts, second hand parts and add ons. I want the NC 700 to sell well so the bike is popular enough to generate the same interest from the aftermarket manufacturers. If it does not sell well I doubt I'll get one. Finally I want to see what real people who use the real bike in real situations think. What is the real fuel consumption, are they reliable, what's the long distance comfort like and do they rust like mad? I don't want to spend almost 6 grand being a guinea pig for Honda.
If everything seems good in the next year or so, I may consider buying. If the Fazer becomes too old, tired or costly then I almost certainly will buy...just not right now...
Reader's Comments
Mick B said :-
Great write up and review, really enjoyed reading through.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
John E said :-
Great, real-world review. Less self-conscious than a magazine scribe and much more useful insight. I'm a new biker considering one of these things for the daily commute and your conclusions are really helpful.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Mike R said :-
"Lets, for arguments sake, say petrol will rise to £1.50 per litre" We're now just of March and petrol now costs £1.50! Perhaps by August this bike will make sound economic sense. Like you, I want a bike that doesn't cost a fortune to run and this one seems to hit the nail on the head. Nice article
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Mike
Yeah! At the current rate of fuel rises we'll be at £3 per litre before Christmas. In which case I shall be buying another 125 and an electric push bike.
We can complain all we like, it's the future, the black stuff ain't coming out the ground like it used to be. Maybe "Bikes and Travels" will become "Pedal Bikes and Short Trips"
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
chris r said :-
Great write up. I am keen on this bike as i commute 140 miles a day and fuel is killing me. Only hope that not everyone thinks they will wait and see how well it sells, otherwise it will not take off. I for one will take the plunge and buy.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Azer said :-
If you read here:
http://www.nc700.co.uk
It does look like it is quite popular in the UK.
I just ordered mine here in Denmark.
Including our insane vehicle tax its 11,000 £
:(
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
xtttr said :-
good honest review.
think the same the cost savings on fuel are not that great if you are changing bikes.
If however you were looking at buying new and it may be your first bike etc then it could be a good buy.
Everytime I look at getting another bike I stick with the bike I have and try and improve it. just paid £12.50 for a niffty crusie control its going to save me loads
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Per said :-
Hi Azer
Did you get your bike delivered. Is it any good ??
Regards
Per
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Killick Greenie said :-
Just bought one of these bikes and it does what it says on the tin. I have a 150 mile round trip commute and I am getting a genuine 79 mpg out of it. The storage is brilliant, I put the rucksack in there and on arrival at the office I chuck the helmet in.
The bike handles great, I think Honda have done a top class job on the bike and the engine. I now leave the petrol station feeling a bit more smug that the robbing b@@@@s have only fleeced me for the minimum amount.
10/10 to Honda.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Gary P said :-
Re the comment on automatic gearchange on dct version this was reason i changed from a smartcar bloody thing decided to change just as i went to accelerate at a roundabout stranding me halfway out of junction with other car rapidly approaching(would have been no problem if it hadn`t decided to change)
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Mike R said :-
Ren - The Ed : "In which case I shall be buying another 125 and an electric push bike. "
I bought an electric push bike a while ago. When pedalling at the same time I could do almost 20mph without breaking a sweat. Unfortunately the range was probably closer to 12 miles rather than the 40 as advertised (even going slowly). The battery also needed replacing after 2 years and cost £300! so I now just use it as a normal bicycle.
The NC700X would suit me well but I'd like to use it for touring. I'd prefer shaft drive (or a belt), a larger range, adjustable screen and a better location for the fuel filler. None of this is a deal breaker though. I do love the style, 80mpg and the idea of a low maintenance design.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
mark said :-
test rode a dct on tuesday
youll be surprised when you take it on the motorway
75 to 85 not quite as quick (i have a versys)
but get there fast enuff without thrashing
round town its barely off idle (the point)
and i found the auto to sit in too high a gear or too low in certain situations
gotta try a manual version to compare
oh and mpg - people have been getting 90mpg not riding like angels -- 80 is normal
good review - wtf is the escort about did they make you sign a waiver and excess form :D
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Andy Price said :-
My fuel consumption so far has been 87mpg up to the first 600 mile service. Since then the motor has loosened up and now I'm getting 93mpg. I'm not sure why these figures are above everything else I've read, I change up at 3000rpm and use all of that torque do the accelerating.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
DROOOOOL!!! Andy Price, so great to hear from a bona fide owner, even better to hear about the fuel consumption. Just reading your mpg figure's makes me want one even more. I can see myself lightening the bank balance sooner than I expected.
Many thanks, Ren.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Tom McQ said :-
I recently met a guy at Devil's Bridge who had the auto version and I talked to him at length. He really did like it and claimed 80+mpg without even trying! He told me that he also had a Honda Blackbird but was using it less and less as fuel prices rise.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Tom McQ said :-
Ren - Just wanted to point out that your URL's are too bloody long, lol. I tried posting a link to this page for a friend, but it didn't work out and ended up using a link thru www.tinyurl.com
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Big E said :-
Great review, I too was going to wait until the next year and pick one up cheap from someone who was looking for more speed. But I went ahead and bought one recently. That's because every time I did the pro/con list it just came up as a buy now don't wait. Happy to say I am glad I did. Again, this motorbike is in a new class, and class is not for everyone.
I feel this NC700 Honda and the CB500 trio coming to the US soon will be the new standard.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Falco said :-
Good review.
Good bike.
Boring rider!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Harsh call Falco, but I'll not argue with ya. Yep I am one seriously dull rider.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Trev Smith said :-
I tried the DCT at the weekend for a couple of hours (sales guy did let me out on my own!) and really enjoyed it. Looking for a 'do it all' bike to replace my MT03 and this might be it, definitely a bit better at everything apart from bend swinging and looking (and sounding) cool, not sure it will be quite as much fun but not far off.
I would urge you try the DCT, works fantastically well if you ignore all the bollocks about needing to change gear manually to get the true biking experience.
Anyhoo I'm lucky enough to have a few bikes to play on and some old enough and brutal enough to give me all the real biking feel I want - '89 GSXR1100k anyone ; )
Honda have come up trumps with this and they're selling like hot cakes across Europe and pretty well in the UK,
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
John said :-
have you had a look here Ren ?
http://www.nc700.co.uk/index.php?/portal/
you have to registar to view though.
Its quite a busy site.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Stobie said :-
Rumours of a new NC750X in March 2014. Came from a Honda dealer.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
William said :-
I have a NC700x 2013 with 1300 miles on it.
Has anybody had any issues with the electronics on this bike? Mainly the engine light coming on and the bike over heating?
It's been in the Honda dealership for 5 weeks. They switched out the ECU, done all tests that Honda recommends and now they are replacing the whole wire rack. They still have not been able to solve the issues.
Any suggestions, similar issues or advice would be appreciated.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Will said :-
Another great review for the real world, Ren.
The NC700X has been replaced by the NC750X. Physically it's the same bike, but the engine now has a second balancer shaft for more smoothness.
I had an NC750X as a loan bike for a couple of months (insurance claim, long story for another time). It's by far the most civilised twin I've ever ridden, and I like my smooth fours. You hear the engine but barely feel it, which makes the sensation of hitting the low rev limiter most disconcerting at first. It was fine once I'd learned to use it like a car engine, with all the action in the 2,000-4,000rpm range. The V-twin firing order makes it sound like a polite Ducati, with more bark than a conventional parallel twin.
It's an effortless ride and if I were commuting every day I think it would be perfect. Wind protection with the factory screen was just fine (I'm 5'11"). I had the manual version, which does the job but the 'box is a little clunky. I wish I'd had a chance to try the DCT as I think it would suit the engine perfectly.
Storage is superb too, a full-face Shoei or a hefty Monster chain easily fit in the big compartment where the fuel tank should be. The real tank is under the seat and you can feel this weight is kept nice and low. The engine position helps too - it's practically horizontal and much lower than most twins.
I was disappointed with the quality though. Mine had barely 1000 miles on it and the downpipes were already brown and furry. I think that's why Honda put a tiny belly pan on it, to hide their shame. The frame and footrest hangers scuffed easily too. But the back half of the exhaust stayed smarter and the bodywork plastics were good. I appreciate this is a budget bike and I think it's good value. Just don't expect 'legendary' Honda quality for this money - it's acceptable but that's all.
It's the perfect commuter bike for those who want a two wheeled car - but don't want a mega scooter.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Will. I have a good friend who's recently purchased the NC750X with the DCT. I shall watch with interest on how it ages regarding thr build quality and reliability.
If you look around the site I have ridden the DCT myself. Suffice to say I thought it was a very good system. I can see this becoming the norm and while I too like my manual gears it isn't a bad thing.
Cheers for sharing your thoughts :)
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
John said :-
Had my Honda nc700x a few weeks, It has full Honda panniers a top box fitted, heated grips, Hand guards, larger screen,I have also fitted fork gators, to ride it feels a lot lighter than some bikes, went out for a ride with mates about 120/130 miles into the ride they were looking for fuel, when we finished the ride I had 189 miles on the trip and still had 1 bar showing, I like the low revving engine,and the way it pulls,
I think Honda are on to a winner with this bike.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Henrik said :-
Seems Honda is generally the best when it comes to low fuel consumption
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi John. Nice bike. Ideally given the fullness of time and hindsight I am still loving this bike but there are 2 things that rub me up. Firstly is the access to the tank being under the seat. When I go on my trips the back seat is used for saddlebags, the tent and whatnot. Having to remove all that lot each time I want to fill up would drive me mad.
Secondly is although you can get over 180 miles on a tank - I'm so used to my 125 and 300 miles between fill ups I wish Honda had fitted a larger tank. Bikes these days have pathetic tank sizes, it's infuriating!
What I do love is the the low revving nature. No screaming tortured engine just a relaxing and calming thump thump thump from the quiet motor. As Henrik says it speaks of good fuel economy and of understressed parts that should last a lifetime. It is a heavy bike when compared to the likes of the Street Triple but it is low down and easily managed.
Fork gaiters, bigger screen and hand guards - you are a man after my own heart. Nice luggage too.
Henrik - Honda do seem to at least take in fuel consumption as well as performance. There's still room for improvement though. I'm looking for Gold Wing comfort and luggage space, with CBR 1000 perfomance, 125 light weight and 400 handling. All this must come with 200 mpg. It has been said I'm asking for too much...
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
John Dally said :-
The new 750 has a 5 liter larger fuel tank, may be it could be made to fit the nc 700
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi John Dally. As far as I can see both the 700 and the 750 have 14.1 litre tanks?
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
John Dally said :-
You are right about the tank, I have changed the exhaust, it now sounds nice.
29/01/2016 21:58:38 UTC
John Dally said :-
Secondly is although you can get over 180 miles on a tank - I'm so used to my 125 and 300 miles between fill ups I wish Honda had fitted a larger tank. Bikes these days have pathetic tank sizes, it's infuriating,
Do you rember the old day?
Kawasaki KH 500/750 two strokes,
If you got 65/70 miles out of a tank full you were very lucky.
29/01/2016 22:04:07 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi John Dally
180 miles per tank is pretty much the norm these days. It *is* enough, certainly here in the crowded UK, but like you I'm used to doing 300 miles per tank on my 125. My 250 drives me to distraction at 200 miles between fill ups. Ideally 500 miles would be better but then the bike would be ALL tank!
As for the idea of a bike that does 70 miles per tank...that would be simply hateful. My SLR650 would need filling every 100 miles and I felt like I spent more time in petrol stations than I did riding the darn thing. It also lead to some lairy moments in Scotland, riding on fumes.
I do rather fancy Honda's CLR250 as well but with a 7 litre tank...might as well take a tour of petrol stations rather than the countryside.
31/01/2016 14:32:32 UTC
Monk said :-
Only issue for me is, I don't like bikes that look like 'jet skis'!
19/02/2016 00:07:59 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Yeah, but imagine if you could cross the channel to France or even the Atlantic to America - now THAT would be an adventure!
19/02/2016 08:59:36 UTC
Monk said :-
No problem... I am, in fact, a qualified scuba diver!!!!I'll bring a spare wet suit for you. Why HAVE I got that sinking feeling???!!!
19/02/2016 16:27:24 UTC
Monk said :-
Or if you prefer...Hope I don't fall off...I'll get REALLY wet!!
19/02/2016 16:39:39 UTC
John Dally said :-
If you want to try a cheap set of handle bar risers, what you do in get a set of top handle bar clamps, and some longer bolts, rest the spare clamps upside down on the part that is fitted on the triple clamp, then put the longer bolts through the old top clamps rest the bars on and bolt them all together. bars raised about 3/4-1", if you dont like it, take them off,
13/03/2016 16:40:46 UTC
TishoftheUSA said :-
Nov 2020 - I've got a 2012 DCT and have put 18k miles on it commuting and ZERO mechanical issues with it.
You want a reliable, economical commuter, this is it. Want speed and thrills, look elsewhere.
18/11/2020 12:39:41 UTC
MP said :-
Good morning .
My first goal is to buy honda nc750x dct 2021. All was sold and the next shipment was at September.
So I bought this . Honda forza 750 2021.Same bike but much more comfortable for city and cruising..
I sold honda cb500f and bmw c400x.
The bike ( is motorcycle not a scooter ) is unbelievable..
13/06/2021 07:35:39 UTC
MP said :-
Good morning .
My first goal is to buy honda nc750x dct 2021. All was sold and the next shipment was at September.
So I bought this . Honda forza 750 2021.Same bike but much more comfortable for city and cruising..
I sold honda cb500f and bmw c400x.
The bike ( is motorcycle not a scooter ) is unbelievable..
13/06/2021 07:35:41 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
I agree MP it's not a Scoot. Unless the floor area is flat and low between the engine and leg guards it's not a Scoot.
Looks nice in black MP.
Upt'North.
13/06/2021 13:20:44 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
The Forza 750 is, under the skin, the same as the NC range anyhow. It's all about the clothes its wearing. Is it a scooter? What defines a scooter anyhow? I dunno, I don't care. It has gotten 2 wheels and a motor and if it makes you smile then it's just brilliant. In modern marketing parlance if you can't decide what it is then it defaults to a "crossover". There we are MP and Upt', problem solved, it's a crossover.
14/06/2021 08:01:08 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
In motorcycle parlance wouldn't it be a step-thru?
Upt'North.
14/06/2021 08:46:37 UTC
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